And, of course, Jesus had such powers. And it would seem that
Urine Tantra is the only known operant method to attain such powers
and to overcome the 7-fold Sufferring of hunger, disease, senescence,
death, emotional depression, mental low intelligence, and spiritual
entrapment of consciousness within the physical dimension.
I implore you to post a message with us - anything at all that
would pertain to the subject of overcoming sufferring. Thanks for
your interest, and may you receive many blessings. Jai Om. - Sw.
Tantrasangha

A SUBTLE ATTACK AGAINST THE FIVE SACRAMENTS geneticrejuv...

It took me awhile to repair your misgiven interpretation. I went to
the Robinson translation of the Gospel of Thomas, and found the
quote. Your rebuttal is without merit, in that there is no mention of
any such "context". Nevertheless, if you prefer to distance us from
the four sacraments in this fashion, I must first forewarn the
students.

We walk a delicate balance between freedom of opinion, while, at the
same time, trying to evade destruction of our central premises. At
risk of sounding autocratic, I must suggest that those who have
firmly made their minds up to be in disagreement with Rasa Tantra
Sadhana, as taught by this swami, would be better off in a group with
no such concrete teachings, which is just about all of them.

We are here for this particular form of Tantra. The only
proper "rebuttal" would be to produce scriptural quotes against our
hypotheses or to arrange the necessary Experimental Research to prove
or disprove our assertions.

The bane of an exhausted Hermetic Scientist is to have no more time
to teach, since his time is all spent trying to repair the damage
done from erroneous assertions, or, in the last gasps of breath in
the twilight of a guru's miserable life in this torturous Kali Yuga,
to have one more ignorant first grade question put to his ear.

ALL groups, other than this one, are in passive or active opposition
to our Scientific-Scriptural Approach and its Hermetic Theories.
Since this group is the last hole for the last fox to hide in, any
passive or active unbeliever in the Logical Approach, who sticks his
hand down into that hole might get bitten. This is for the fox's
survival.

Those who are satisfied with the results they are getting some other
way or who have another program, motivated by different values than
our nearly extinct "fox", should not meddle in the domain of his
lonely dissenting vote, in disagreement with the "moral majority". I
mean this with all practicality and courtesy. Have pity on endangered
species. Here is the actual quote from the Gospel of Thomas:

(19) Jesus says: (1)"Blessed is he who was, before he came into
being.
(2) If you become disciples of mine (and) listen to my words, these
stones will serve you.
(3) For you have five trees in Paradise that do not change during
summer (and) winter,
and their leaves do not fall. (4) Whoever comes to know them will not
taste death." Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha

--- In naghammadigospels@yahoogroups.com, Isabella
<isabellariley@y...> wrote:
> Sorry to interject, but the mention of the five Trees
> in Thomas got my attention. Because in context, the
> five trees are really qualities of an eternal being,
> when I came across this in the Apocryphon of John, I
> right away made the connection:
> "This is the pentad of the aeons of the Father, which
> is the first man, the image of the invisible Spirit;
> it is the forethought, which Barbelo, and the thought,
> and the foreknowledge, and the indestructibility, and
> the eternal life, and the truth. This is the
> androgynous pentad of the aeons, which is the decad of
> the aeons, which is the Father." - Isabella

DMT & OOBE'S

Since this psychedelic DMT is Intrinsic to the body, and is found
> more in young bodies, I assume that the younger the individual, the
> more DMT, and, thus, the more psychedelic. Perhaps the Zygote or
> Embryo can even pass the time in OOBE, which would be much more
> entertaining than having its consciousness trapped in an Amniotic
> (cul de)Sac. And Jesus said, in the Nag Hammadi gospels: "You must
> be as this (suckling child) to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Perhaps
> this might shed New Light on this saying of Jesus: "You must be Born
> Again of water and spirit to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." As we
> have already stated, OOBE is clearly a requisite for the Holy
> Spirit, Heaven, Salvation, or Christ Within, which is the True God
> of One's Own Subjective Consciousness, which is brought on by a
> chemical or genetically, by the Resurrected (rejuvenated) Body.
>
> Nice to hear from you. I was earlier rebuffed by all who
> responded at Farview, not only rejecting my messages but THIS GROUP!
> And this after all the work we have done to be more reasonable and
> scientific than they! It angers me, and makes me sense their
> impending doom which will drag us along with it, like the last
> moments of Samson or like when they would not cross the Jordan into
> the Promised Land and turned away to the desert instead, dragging
> Moses with them into Unnecessary Sufferring. I repeat what I said
> before, that it is late in the day, and it might be best to at least
> utilize Entheogens, like Ayahuasca (and the community thereof) to
> obtain Familiarity with the Liberating Experience of OOBE or RV. -
> Sw. Tantrasangha

SOMA IS URINE

Subject: THE SATAPATHA BRAHMANA OF THE RIG VEDA
The Rig Veda contains one passage in which urine and soma are
mentioned together:
"Acting in concert, those charged with the office, richly gifted, do
full homage to Soma. The swollen men piss the flowing (soma)."
[O'Flaherty, p. 123]
The Satapatha Brahmana, being a very ancient commentary on the
Rig Veda, the oldest of all Hindu scriptures, is found in the
series, The Sacred Books of the East, edited by E. Max Mueller and
published by India's foremost publisher of scriptures, Motilal
Banarsidas, Delhi. Somewhere in the Satapatha Brahmana, it
states: "Soma is seed. Soma is urine." Literally, Soma means Moon, a
similitude for the woman's monthly cycle. See "Rig Veda" in our
earlier messages. - Sw. Tantrasangha

MANNA FROM HEAVEN

The Soma Pavamana of the four Vedas, is identical to the Manna
from Heaven, first given by Moses, in the Bible, to the people when
they were starving. It was a good security decision for a populace
bereft of food, drink and medicine. And as we have said, the
Pavamana or Manna is urine and/or seed. It was used to cure
illnesses, and, if used Tantrically, to stop senescence, thus
producing an ageless body, which may well have increased amounts of
psychedelic DMT, thus liberating consciousness from its depressing
physical entrapment and entering into multidimensional perceptions.
The ancients saw this to be good intelligence to improve the
security of survival of the people. Modern society, on the other
hand, has chosen a future of death for one and/or all, and fight
against any who would change it - a memorial and an epitaph to their
lack of faith, intelligence and compassion. Your.. Picasso

PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS ARE NOT OUR REASON FOR RECYCLING geneticrejuv...

Today, I placed an article into the files on this subject of
recycling urine after ingesting psychedelic mushrooms. I have even
done this myself. This has been a popular theory about Soma,
since there is some evidence in other
documents that certain inhabitants of Siberia did this, as mentioned
below. Nevertheless, you are dead wrong in your assertion that this
is what actually happened, implying that Rasa Tantra is incorrect.

In the scriptures, they drank urine, in a Tantric Way, to attain
Genetic Rejuvenation, which (Regeneration) theoretically caused the
advent of DMT secretion, OOBE's and Siddhis. Although entheogens have
long been part of various religious traditions, mostly among American
Indians, there is nothing in any scriptures I know of, about the use
of entheogens (herbal psychedelics).

Rasa Tantra is sure taking a beating, and, after publishing about it
for 1/3 century, I am still the only spokesman for it. I hope some of
you will become more active in expounding the Sacred Initiation to
the masses. Thanks but no thanks to this mushroom "bum steer".
Nevertheless, if you fail to succeed in Tantra Sadhana, entheogens
are the best option.

Only scriptures and experimental research can resolve the question as
to the efficacy of our theoretical practice of Rasa Tantra and
Project Genesis. You already have been given "tons" of Secondary
Analysis - a mountain of evidence to support our hypotheses. You have
been fed too well, and are no longer hungry for evidence.

So, your minds will wander for new sundrae slops, as they have done
millions of times, fleeing to the dry places of the "wilderness" of
irrationality, having already turned away from the Fountain of Living
Waters. This is the prophesied refusal to cross the Jordan River to
enter the Promised Land of Immortality.

Now that I have re-butted this error, we can return to where we were
before, not having progressed into increased understanding - only
having once again cleaned up an erroneous mess. If it were about any
other subject, I would have more respect for your differences of
opinion. If you are satisfied with the results you are already
getting, why are you here? Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha

--- In naghammadigospels@yahoogroups.com, <return2reason@e...> wrote:
> >>SOMA IS URINE
> Sure, after the shaman ingested the aminta muscaria mushrooms he
would recycle his water or give it to the tribe. Without the
visionary components, it's just pee.
> http://entheogen.netfirms.com/articles/articles/hallpla/g21-30.html
> A very old and curious practice of these tribesmen is the
ritualistic drinking of urine from men who have become intoxicated
with the mushroom. The active principles pass through the body and
are excreted unchanged or as still active derivatives. Consequently,
a few mushrooms may inebriate many people.
A siberian Chukchee man with wooden urine vessel, about to
recycle and extend intoxication from Amanita muscaria.

EMBRYONIC ANDROGYNY

Subject: The Fetal Hermaphrodite
This and your later question about Hermaphroditism are one and the
same, since Androgyny is the same as Hermaphroditism. They are both
the genetic DNA I.D. for Genetic Rejuvenation, which, we suspect,
keys in the Psychedelic, Psychic, and Siddhi ("magical" or paranormal
powers), which all-in-tandem formulate the Salvation Package. In
Greek mythology, Hermes and Aphrodite joined as one body
(Hermaphrodite) in a pool of water. Androgeus (from whom we derive
the word "androgynous", was half male and half female. When he won
all the Olympic games, the Athenians were so jealous that they killed
him, psychologically a similar reaction to so many Siddhas by the
vulgar masses. And the Book of Revelations states: "I will give you a
white stone (purified body) with a new Name (genetic code)." Or as
the Old Testament predicts: "A great wonder will happen, for a woman
will (en)compass a man." And there are so many references to
rejuvenation and physical immortality, which is said to be preferable
to the spirit worlds. Sound like a familiar theme? - Sw. T..

FOOD AND SEX & OUR INDIAN CHELA

And Jesus said: "When two or more are gathered in my Name (Sat
Nam), I will be there." "It is not so much what goes into a man, but
what comes out of him, that defiles him." Your intuition is correct
that the outflow of "Adam and Eve" or the taking of "forbidden food"
instead of "the fruit of the Tree of Life" has caused "an enmity
between their seed" or a genetic malfunction, by which they are
both "bruised", which is at the root of this blockage to the
Nirvanakaya and its companion, Anandasamadhi. But in times of
universal spiritual darkness, this would all be only theoretical,
requiring great faith and devotion to desire or expect its fruition.
Blessings of the Father-Mother God be upon you, beloved child of
Parabrahm, the universal consciousness of many names (Sri Sahasranam)
Jai Siva Lingambu Chikitsa (Praise to Urine Therapy). - Sw. T..

--- In urine_therapy@yahoogroups.com, rachnadj@a... wrote:
> Dear Sw.T...
> Till our Beloved remains separate from our 'self' or remains ' the
other'
> perhaps there remains boundaries and incomplete union and therefore
the mind
> feels hesitation in being able to totally accept the other ....I
for one, yearn
> for such a complete union because to me that is the spiritual
journey to be made
> by the two genders...to transcend the illusion of duality and
become once
> again One....a blurring and dissolution of the boundaries of
separation... I've
> always understood Tantra in that context ...that it is Nature's
reason for
> creating two genders ....and I am slowly but surely headed that
way. Each one of
> us is making that journey at our own pace and in our own way.
> Only when religion becomes a tool to prevail upon others does it
loose its
> spiritual truths and becomes a political agent and twisted...so I
have no
> problems with the spiritual postings on this site or
urinetantrasalavation because
> the intent has always been spiritual not political... Rama and
Rahim are the
> same and I don't mind who brings me the message...my love to one
and all....and
> an xtra special hug to you swami T... Rachna

Feeling Unworthy

Subject: Re: Epidemic of Low esteem ! Beware thinking big &
negative !
Trying to "read between the lines", I copy the thought that we
subconsciously feel that we don't deserve Moksha (Salvation from
Sufferring) or Samadhi, and that is why we will not allow ourselves
to have the Vidya (Knowledge) by which we could obtain it. In
meditation, I have long received an intuitive message that people are
secretly against the change which Salvation would bring. Lilian
Storey, the respected librarian of the London T.S.*, said she had a
dream that the "foolish children" kicked out the teachers and took
over the school. Copy? - Swami Tantrasangha *Theosophical Society

Charles Darwin on Androgyny

In his book, "The Descent of Man", Darwin postulates that
we "descended" from primordial beings, which can still be seen in our
fetal stage of development, namely fish, because we have gills at
that period, and androgynous beings, since male and female do not
manifest until later. Two excellent books on this subject are: "The
Mystery of the Sexes" and "Bisexual Man"*. This title was chosen
before "bisexual" was later used to imply "homosexual". A very useful
tool is The American Books in Print Catalog, found in most libraries
and many book stores. Your.. Picasso
*Both books are available from Health Research Publishers, California.


DENEGRATION

Subject: Outwitting Them
Someone told me that Gurdjieff said something to the effect that
to outwit them, you must disappear (so they can't find you). Needless
to say, if they find you, they will reason that if they do not permit
themselves to have it, then they feel impelled to prevent you from
doing so as well. "If I can't have it neither can you." And who said
they couldn't have it? Their own subconscious sense of guilt tells
them they don't deserve it. Jai Om. I do deserve it, but they
disagree. - Sw. T..

CHROMOSOMES IN THE "IMMACULATE CONCEPTION"

Subject: Genetics of Rejuvenation
When True Rejuvenation and Physical Immortality occur, there must
be a change in the Genetic Code of the couple. He would drop half his
chromosomes and add half of hers. She would drop half her chromosomes
and add half his. Is this not the same occurance that would happen if
they fornicated and conceived a child? Only this Child Within cannot
be conceived by fornication but by Tantra or posibly Project Genesis.
In the Book of Genesis, some "cows drank from a trough with rods
(phallic symbols) in it, and thereby conceived." And Jesus said: "You
must be born again of Water and Spirit." When the woman at the well
said she would like to have some of that Water of Life, Jesus
replied: "Go, call your husband." Jesus also said: "Do ye not know
that what goes into the mouth, passes into the belly, and is then
poured out into the drought?" And: "If any man thirst, let him come
to me, and I will give him Living Water. From out of his belly will
pour rivers of Living Water." And: "It is not so much what goes into
a man, but what comes out of him, which defiles him." As the
Mahayanis say: "It is Apana (outflow) that causes the hellish
states." Less than 1% of the world's population can ever comprehend
this simple matter, and, if that were not bad enough, they would not
permit you to try it as well. Do you need more proof of their evil
madness? Prepare for the "Tribulation" which they have been preparing
for millennia. - Sw. Tantrasangha